Licenses and Permits Committee

Wonderful. Some camera issues.

Hello, everybody. This is Councilor Willie Burnley Jr., Chair of the Licenses and Permits Committee meeting for our regular December meeting in 2025. And pursuant to Chapter 2 of the Acts of 2025, this meeting of the City Council Committee will be conducted via remote participation. and other comprehensive record of these proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting of the City of Somerville website and local accessible government channels. Clerk, can you please call the roll to establish quorum?

This is roll call. Councilor Davis.

Here.

Councilor Clingan.

Present.

Councilor Burnley.

Present.

With three councillors present, we have a quorum.

Great. And we have a short agenda in front of us with meeting minutes to take up and three grants of vocation, I believe. and just for everyone's awareness we have already had public hearings on all of these items so we will not be entering a public hearing but I do plan to sponsor Members of the public and representatives of the applications to speak to concerns that have come up. But before that, clerk, can we take up the minutes?

Absolutely. Item number one is approval of the minutes of the Licenses and Permits Committee meeting of November 12, 2025. On that item, Councilor Davis? Yes. Councilor Clingan?

Yes.

Councilor Burnley?

Yes.

With all councillors in favour, that item is approved.

Great, and I saw no discussion on the item. Sweet, clear. All right. We're going to take this in order. So first, we have a grant of location from Comcast trying to install 49 feet of conduit in Houghton Street. to pick up at 121 Prospect. I know that there has been members of the public who've been meaning to speak to this item, but first I'd like to hear from Comcast. If a representative from Comcast is here, can you please press the raise hand? Thank you. And then introduce yourself and explain why this pickup is needed and particularly Why on Houghton when it's going to Prospect?

Unmute. Okay, sorry about that. Dave Forwalling, Comcast, 9 Forbes Road, Reuben, Massachusetts. We'd like to speak in favor of the Comcast petition to place 49 feet of conduit for the purpose of providing the Comcast service the number 121 Prospect Street. We're coming off of a utility pole on Houghton Street. That is the closest point to the building. And therefore, that's why we're proposing to excavate on Houghton Street.

Thank you. And I know there are Is at least one member of the public here who wants to speak to this, Ms. White? Before I let her jump in with these concerns, I just want to ask the basic question. Would this be possible to do from Prospect? And if so, would that create any issues from Comcast's side?

There'd be more excavation work to come in from Prospect Street.

With that context, yes, Councilor Davis. Councilor, you are muted.

Sorry. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. If you don't mind, I'd love for you to, Mr. Florent, just to ask for a little, to expand on that a bit, because it It appears that the power is currently coming into that lot on Prospect Street. There appears to be a poll. on that lot. So maybe I don't have any expertise in this area. If I could just sort of understand a little further, like why, you know, what's the reason for routing it the way it is rather than where it appears to already be power coming in.

Well, we may not have anything closer than on Prospect Street. The closest entry point for us would be Houghton Street. That's why we chose that location to limit the amount of excavation work that would need to be done to bring that line into the building. We always try to find the shortest amount of underground to provide service to the building that makes the most sense to cut down on excavation work and... to be able to bring the service to the customer sooner rather than having to excavate hundreds of feet of trenching to put a pipe in to bring the service to a customer. So the closest entry point is on Houghton Street for us. I mean, it may be different for, you know, the power company, but for us, it's Houghton Street.

Mr. Chair, if I may follow up. Yes. Thank you. Okay, so, and I apologize, right, I was saying power, and this, of course, is cable, so am I correct in understanding then that there are the The current cable lines that run on Prospect and the pole that is literally on this property doesn't contain, there's no cable there?

If there was, we would be providing service from that pathway, but there currently isn't. That's why this pathway was chosen. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

No problem. I do note that there is a member of the public here who would like to raise concerns. So if Claire could unmute. Miss White to speak. And Miss White, if you'd like to, it might be Mrs. White, I'm not entirely sure, would like to make your concerns clear so that we may address them.

Okay, can you hear me?

We can't. Can you please introduce yourself and your relationship to the application?

My name is Lisa White. I go by Ms. Ms. White. And I live on 4 Houghton Street. And the pole is in front of my front door. and I'm speaking for the homeowner who doesn't have the ability. Her name is Mary Moreno. Mr. Fluelli. I'm sure that Comcast is used to these things being flagged right away. Whole in front of my house has so many loose wires that have just been cut and left and Our objection to you digging a trench on Houghton Street is that our street has been dug up I can't even count how many times probably 25 times in the last 10 years there's a 36 inch gas main that runs the length of Houghton Street

This building is called 121 Prospect Street, and we have been subjected for the last two years, endless hassles with the construction of this property. Eversource just repaved our street in October and if you dig it up again We're going to have problems with water flow to the catch basins at the end of the street. And You know, we would just rather you connected on Prospect. And how did the people on Prospect Street get their Comcast if there's no conduit for it?

Well, there's conduit on Prospect Street, but it's not in close proximity for us to be able to provide service to that building. I know that – I understand your concerns with the paving on the street, and I know there's been multiple – um companies that have done work out there but the street has not been paved curb to curb by the city it's been um Individual projects, some of them city projects to do repair work and stuff, but the street is not on the moratorium list, therefore... Thank you for watching. I'll see you next time. without extensively trenching on Prospect Street to bring the service. Our excavation is only 49 feet from the pole to the building, so the impact is very minimum. and shouldn't affect any flooding or anything along that line.

It's basically a direct path from one side of the street to the other.

Yes, I understand that. It's directly in front of my house. So what I'd like to know is if you're going to be providing service for 32 units in a space that had a car lot before, What did that mean on the poll? Because like I said, that is one messy poll. If I ever finished my work leaving all that kind of dangling wire, I would probably be fired. What's it going to look like? Are we going to have a huge transformer box to provide that? What does it look like?

It's one four-inch conduit that basically comes up from the base of the pole. It goes up and attaches to the Comcast line. It's a three-quarter-inch cable that is in that four-inch pipe, and then it connects to the existing Comcast plant. As far as the cables that are on that poll, you know, we're aerial on that poll currently, and so is Verizon and RCN and, you know, Eversource, but, you know, I don't know. Exactly, you know, what would need to be looked at from all the different utilities to clean up those lines, but that's certainly something we can look at, but we would also need to include the other utilities to identify what cables need to be cleaned up and or removed.

Well, I can tell you from personal experience having had Comcast here also more times than I can count because of our terrible service that most of the stuff hanging off of there is from Comcast because I have watched them put it up. In any case, what I want to know is how long will the street be closed? I hope you understand how much heavy equipment is already present at this location. There's no parking here. You'll be closing the street. What's your timeline for doing it? And how deep do you go that you avoid that 36-inch gas main? Because every time somebody digs up our street... Something goes wrong with the gas line.

So our line is typically two feet to the top of the pipe. The street will be open at all times. We will only excavate a portion of the road at a time. And it will be open to all traffic at all times, including emergency vehicles. and it will be done in one day.

And it'll be repaved in one day?

We will put the temporary patch in in one day, correct.

I mean, I can't fight City Hall. I just don't understand why it has to be on Houghton Street. I don't really understand how people on Prospect Street are getting service. and it's impossible for you for a building that's on Prospect Street to provide service off of Prospect. But I'm just defending our patch here, you know.

I understand.

Understood. All right. Seems like we had a cordial and lively conversation there. Given what we heard, I mean, a single day, it seems... I mean, it's quite a surprising timeline, if I do say so myself. I would just... As a few things, one, to represent from Comcast, Mr. How do you, can you pronounce your name again just so I can get it right? Yes, it's Flewelling. Flewelling. Mr. Flewelling, when this trench is going to be dug up, is this going to impact the sidewalks at all?

Very minimum.

Would it impact them to the point that additional space would be needed for people to traverse the sidewalks?

Yes, well, part of our traffic plan would be include the sidewalk if we need to divert traffic on a temporary basis. But again, it'll be very minimum. And again, I mean, we're in the winter moratorium now. If this petition is approved, the work probably would not start until on or about April 15th after the moratorium ends. was lifted unless this was approved and engineering would issue us a permit this time of year, but that would all hinge on engineering and it may go into the spring.

All right, let's hold for a second. I see Councilor Davis, but before Councilor Davis, I do want to just give Ms. White one more chance to speak to this. and I will say again for the public's Knowledge. This is typically not how this committee runs, but I very much want to make sure that community voices are heard in this space and that their issues are addressed as much as can be So, Ms. White, if you have any final concerns or statements to make or questions?

First of all, I appreciate that you have given me time to speak to this issue. Our sidewalks just got redone this fall. Are you going to be digging up the sidewalks?

The utility pole is close proximity to the curb line. So basically, it'll be just coming from the street to the pole. So the impact of the sidewalk should be minimal. And if we do have to do any work for the sidewalk, part of the permit would be we would have to replace that panel.

Okay, with concrete, not with asphalt.

Absolutely, yes. There may be a temporary patch with the asphalt, but we would be responsible for returning to replace that sidewalk in kind with concrete.

Okay, well, thank you, Mr. Fluelli, for all your answers. And I'll just say, I'm going to hold you to that single day.

Absolutely.

And I hope that as the abutter, the primary abutter, that we will be notified about when you're actually doing this. Bell.

Yep, no problem, and I'll actually do you one better. I will actually have someone come out and take a look at that poll and see what we can do to kind of clean up any Comcast wires on the poll.

That would be great. I appreciate it. Thank you, committee, for allowing me to speak.

Wonderful. And before, again, once before I go to Councilor Davis, Mr. Flewelling, if you or your... Whoever is going to be going out would be interested in passing your number to me or to the clerk. We can make sure that Ms. White gets it so that this communication can be expedited. Not a requirement of this program. Permit, but just want to again facilitate as much communication as possible here. Councilor Davis?

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. And I just want to say I appreciate the spirit of cooperation, collaboration, both from our residents and from our representatives from Comcast. Through you too, Mr. Flanagan, just a related question here, and I think it sounds like we have a reasonable path forward, but might also be relevant. Is there Comcast service currently to this parcel?

No. No, if there was, then again, we wouldn't be, you know, requesting a grant to location to get service to the building.

Okay. And I see now, maybe I'm seeing, because it looks like I'm... Looking at photos, it looks like there actually might be some wires run across, but maybe those are internal to their parking lot lights. So it's hard to see for the pictures. I was just going to ask if there are currently lines going from that pole over across to the building, which would then presumably need to be removed. But in this case, maybe that's not the case if you don't have service there. So I will, nothing further on this. Thank you, Ms. Chair, for facilitating this discussion. I appreciate it.

My pleasure, my duty. All right. If there's nothing else for my colleagues and no other members of the public on this particular item... I'd be, I hesitate to condition it to a single day just because I don't want to get too gungo about that. So I will motion to approve the grant of location as is and if for any reason this The process is not up to the standards that have been discussed in this meeting.

And if this extends far beyond a single day in April, The next council could return back to this permit to discuss further action. So we have motion on table. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, clerk can call the roll on this one.

Was that my audio?

Are you hearing me? Clerk, I was speaking to you if that's what you said, but you sound very far away and or very small.

Interesting.

There we go.

Okay. Okay. On the item, Councilor Davis.

Yes.

Councilor Clingan.

Yes.

Councilor Burnley.

Aye.

With all councillors in favor, that item is recommended for approval.

Thank you. No problem. And I'll note, for the record, even though Mr. Flelling did note appropriately that this item won't be acted upon until April, Please do not act on any of these permits until you have them in hand. Okay, go ahead, can you read the next item?

Item 3 is a grant of location from Eversource to install a total of 48 feet of conduit in Vernon Street from Utility Pole 152 over 9 to a point of pickup at 70 Vernon Street.

All right, so again, we have some members of the public here to speak to this and representatives from, in this case, Eversource. I see Jackie Duffy there. We will unmute you. And I will also just note that this is electricity for, I believe, a new building that is supposed to go up. Can you unmute Ms. Duffy and can you speak again to this item?

Hi, good evening, Jackie Daffy. This is to install 48 feet of conduit in Vernon Street to supply electric service to 70 Vernon Street.

Yes. We've heard some concerns from direct abutters to this parcel around how much space this will take up within their lot. The property line. I want to open it up to Mr. Barbosa to speak to those concerns and see if there is a way that we can either Find some kind of compromise through... Find some kind of compromise. Clerk, can you unmute Mr. Garbosa? And if you can introduce yourself, Mr. Robosa, and explain your connection to this item and what your concerns are.

Thank you so much. I appreciate your time. My name is Tyler Barbons. I'm my grandson of Maria Vicente and the child of Alina Vicente. They're both here present with me now. We understand that Eversource required a grant of location, but prior in January to February when our new neighbors arrived, we told them physically in person that No, we would not like you to proceed into our property. And at first, they understood. We exchanged emails saying, can you please communicate us further if any other problems arise? They then ignored us. The second time around, communicating later in the summer, they insisted that the property was theirs. It's not. My grandma has worked at Gillette, helplessly, for days to earn this money. is causing emotional turmoil for them to impede on our property and using a grant of location as a fear tactic to impose.

There's enough space on the front of their home and the back of their home to create the electricity necessary for their condo. The condo had already had electricity I can see currently by them doing this, they're going to be causing emotional damage by destroying my grandfather's property who has passed away. These plants will never come back if destroyed. Secondly, the physical damage that will be created after we just currently repaired a large part of our yard. It's not acceptable. And then third, to require us to financially repair the damage after they're done construction, no. This seems completely unfair and seems to be an attack on elderly and individuals that are prior to slave immigrants. I personally feel that you can find another method of approach to create the electricity necessary for this condo.

My only concern is that they have consistently tried to enforce that they will be taking this property, and I believe you. Now my grandmother has worked too hard for her to lose this property to some people who just want to create a condo to make some extra money.

Okay, thank you, Mr. Barbosa. If you could temporarily mute yourself just so we don't have too much reverb. Jackie Duffy. Would it be possible to supply energy to this property without impinging upon any abutting properties?

Right now, I'm not showing that we're going to be on 74's property. The handhold is going to be set on two feet of the customer's property. But it seems like from what I'm listening to, that they've had disagreements about the property prior to us. Trying to get electricity in here.

Yes, that is my impression as well. Mrs. Robosa, would you like to substantiate that? And if you have a sense of where this line could pick up from that would not an inch on the property.

But yes, we communicated with them prior to it because they wanted to proceed further into my grandma's property, even though there's a complete cement line and a full entire fence that blocks it immediately. Our neighbors... We have proof that it's ours. They've been constantly trying to scare the neighbors on the other side as well, saying that, oh no, this is ours, you're not losing anything. And it's continued. to impede by using scare tactics. Doctor, we have said no twice.

I'm going to go to the chair. Have you got the property... I can't even think of the word in this awful... Property line? Yeah, have you got the property line? Like, had it... Oh my God, what is wrong with my brain today?

I know, I can't even think of it.

Assessed, you know what I mean? Like what's your property? Thank you, my brain is gone today. Just to make sure that what is your property? because this sounds like it's going to be a legal matter I mean they're trying to get electricity we're not showing that we're going to be on your property but I don't know if you want to get a lawyer or have it surveyed. I don't know what you want to do.

I do apologize for interrupting you, but I even have a video recording that I'm willing to send to the counselors where they were trying to say they were taking more of our work.

David Watt, I'm sorry.

Because we had an interaction with them where I reported where they were trying to show us where the property line is and we continually have to sell them homes.

Mr. Barbosa, just briefly, I do want to keep separate the Eversource matter, which is... Ms. Duffy is just a representative of Eversource and is trying to do their job to make sure that... Excuse me, Mr. Barbosa, please. Let's separate out the... The issues with the neighbor and see if there is a way that we can condition this permit so that we can legally require that this does not cross onto Your property, your family's property, while still having this electricity supplied. Do you think, through me,

To you, Mr. Barbosa, if we condition this permit in such a way that it was required that it did not cross onto your property's line, would that be satisfactory to you and your family?

The thing is that I understand the tactics that they're using and I understand about the The thing is, we don't want anything in our property. Because that particular space has electrical. That particular space has sun and back. So nothing is going into my mother's property. My mother has documents of what belongs to her and when she bought the property, everything was done. So these people, when they first came, they stated that the neighbor gave them free seats and that they're going to take free seats from us. And I said, no, you're not. And then I said, I have documents. When I showed him documents, he came back. And we put a fence where they're going to do their work at. So nothing. Pass that fence into our yard whatsoever.

Yes, and I will say that this is Miss Alina speaking. Again, if we condition the permit so that it is required legally to not cross onto your property's line. That is what we're discussing.

Yes, they should not be in our property whatsoever.

Thank you so much. And just to add on to that, the thing is the neighbors have enough space in their front and back to do this. This is just them enforcing because a grant of location after it's completed... Okay.

Mr. Barbosa, please pause. Again, again, we are separating out.

Oh no, this has nothing to do with the neighboring. It's just the fact that a grain publication, once it's done, it gives the right of that property to the person that they're creating the person with.

unless that grant of location is conditioned, which is what we were discussing. So just to be clear, and please mute so that we do not have the reverb, we're discussing at this moment whether the council will put a condition on the programmable location and for the advantage of the public, a condition is a A rule that says you can do this as long as you don't do X, Y, and Z. And before I pass it on to Councilor Davis to ask a question or give a comment. I want to ask Ms. Duffy if you believe that It would be possible to supply this power strictly on 70 Vernon's without crossing over into anyone else's lot.

I'm not showing that we're going on anyone else's lot. From the plan, it's showing it's going right into 70.

Correct. But let me ask this question a different way. How much space... Are you expecting to take up to deliver this power?

On 70s property? Yes. I'm not sure how much space we're going to get, but we're not going on 74s at all. I mean, you can do it as a recommendation that we don't go near 74s, but you're telling us we can't do the work till April anyhow, correct?

Correct.

So I mean we can go back and revisit this if we can't like if this is going to be a major concern for the customer and the neighbors. But right now I'm showing that we are not anywhere near 74th property and no damage is going to be on 74th property.

Okay. Councilor Davis.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I mean, I think we've hit on the points I was going to make, but, you know, based on the plan that's before us, it doesn't appear to be any crossing of... of the property line into 74. It appears to go straight from the pole down the road a bit and then directly across into 70. I'm unclear as to where there's a dispute as it relates to this granted location. Certainly it sounds like there may be a private property dispute between the two landowners, but that isn't That isn't before the council and frankly, you know, it isn't subject to any of our authority. So I would have no objection to including a condition that I just so there's no there's no question that, you know, the The condo would be run without crossing into any other abutting properties.

and so on. Sounds like there's some other conversations that aren't related to this grant allocation, but there's really nothing that the council can do. The item before us appears to not in any way impede upon the abutting properties.

Okay. I have a sense of what Mr. Barbosa may be about to say, but I'm going to give a final comment or question Potentially to Mr. Barbosa. Then we will, the council will deliberate upon next steps.

Oh, sorry, I didn't know if I was allowed to speak. If it's possible, can we see the documentation of where they're going to be? Can they email us or email... where exactly they're making this line or this construction because it seems like there's an error being made somewhere and I want to make sure it's done.

Absolutely. So there we have written documentation, but in terms of Ambersource's own Project Somatics, Miss Duffy. Oh, there we go. So This is what we're looking at. This would be, thank you, zooming out. There's Partridge, there's a Pole. Okay. and this line right here, it's close to property. So Ms. Duffy, As you can see, this gets fairly close to the property line.

Are we sure that we can do that without touching... Crossing that line or touching onto it, or is there a way to move it just ever so slightly so that's a little bit further out?

I could find out if we can move it a little farther out, but I will put it in as one of the stipulations. That we do not go anywhere near 74.

All right. So with that, I would like to make a motion to condition this grant of location to ensure motion to ensure that I don't know how precise this language has to be to ensure that this grant of location does not cross onto any abutting properties and separately that the property lines are assessed prior to installation. Any discussion on the matter? Okay.

Mr. Chair.

Yes. The clerk, please.

Mr. Chair, my question is, who is responsible for doing that assessing of property lines? It may be helpful to specify that.

Let's say Eversource Inc. and Communication with the applicants and their neighbors.

That would not be Eversource's responsibility. Okay. It would have to show us what is their property.

Okay, Ms. Duffy, would it be acceptable for your team to meet with, let's just say the Barbosas, to ensure that their property line is respected?

Sure.

Great. So for the second stipulation that every source communicate with the embedding properties prior to the installation. I hear writing. To my colleagues, any discussion on the motions? Seeing none, clerk, can you Farrell on that motion.

Yes, indeed, Mr. Chair. Would you prefer to take them up separately or together? Okay, on the condition that the conduit not cross into any abutting properties and the condition that Eversource meet with the abutters prior to the installation to ensure the property line boundary is enforced. Davis.

Yes.

Councilor Clingan.

Yes.

Councilor Burnley.

Aye.

With three councillors in favor, those conditions are approved.

Okay. Now, again, for... Just set expectations for the public. That was a vote on those conditions. So now the item before us is still up before us, but it is required that Eversource Meet with the Butters prior to any installation to ensure that we're all on the same page about where the property lines are and that they do not cross into anyone else's property. And with that, I think that we've done our due diligence here and that we have done what we can within the confines of the power of the council to meet everyone's needs. And I am certainly open to a motion to approve this if my colleagues would like to.

Okay, I'm going to put that motion forward and seeing no discussion, can we get a roll call?

On the motion to approve as conditioned, Councilor Davis?

Yes.

Councilor Clingan?

Yes.

Burnley.

Hi.

With three councillors in favor, that item will be recommended for approval as conditioned.

Okay, everyone. So, again, This can't be acted upon until the license is in hand and given that we're moving into winter, won't be acted upon until, I believe, April. And that seems like plenty of time for property line issues to be discussed and worked out prior to any installations. And with that, we have one more item that involves Eversource. Clerk, can you read the final item?

Item number four is a grant of location from Eversource to install a total of 38 feet of conduit in Warwick Street from utility pole 357 over 3 to a point of pickup at 16 Warwick Street.

Wonderful. And again, this is another item that we've already had the public hearing for. There were some questions about this item. And as a frequent visitor to Warwick Street, I know that this is a property that has set vacant for a bit, at least a year if not more, and that there have been many questions on Warwick about the future of the site, I just want to note for the public's information that there has been issued a permit for an accessory dwelling unit in the backyard and Perhaps Ms. Duffy can correct me. I believe that this is a pickup for that future unit.

Yes, it is. And the reason why it is on here now, we have Matt Penny on. He is questioning the rises on the poll. I believe he is on here to speak because the poll is in front of his house.

All right. Mr. Penny is here. Clark, if you could. Unmute Mr. Penny and Mr. Green if you can introduce yourself, say your connection to this application, and just briefly give voice to any concerns or questions you have.

I'm Matthew Penny. I live at 19 Warwick Street. I was asked to attend last... City Council meeting to address this issue and was told that I could but I couldn't because I wasn't allowed in by the police so when I was allowed in they had already taken the motion up That's fine. I'm glad that you had the committee meeting to handle the questions that weren't Available to be answered that day. Unfortunately, I haven't had those questions answered. I've reached out to Eversource. I did talk to Jackie Duffy. About nine days ago, and she still, we talked again today, but this is all on my initiative to try to get this solved. I still don't have the answers.

Mr. Penny, can you state your questions for the public so we can try to address them?

Okay. I don't know what, there's already three conduits on that. There's two empty conduits on the poll, as it is. I don't understand if they are going to use those empty conduits for the power or are they going to try to add more conduits? The project across the street 10 years ago required those three conduits. They only used one. There's no need for additional conduits on a pole if they're not unneeded.

I'm going to put that in the form of a through the chair and ask Jackie Duffy, do you have any insights into that or?

I have sent numerous emails to the division. I'm waiting to hear back if we are going to be using the two spares or if we're putting a new one in. I don't know. I have not gotten an answer. Matt and I have been on the phone more than I like to say. Matt, it was nice meeting you. But I do not have an answer as of right now for Matt.

And if there were to be additional conduits added to this poll, what would the scale of work there look like?

Right now, there's three rises on the poll. Cambridge only allows four. I'm not too sure what Somerville's limit is for rises, but... We are going to look into seeing if we can use one of the two spares that are on the poll. I'm waiting to get an answer back from the division.

Mr. Penny, I understand that you have some questions still about whether these conduits are going to be used and those questions are not unfortunately going to be answered today in this meeting. But given what you've heard, that there seems to be an interest in prioritizing the use of those conduits, do you have any concerns with this grant of location being approved?

Yes, because I was told by Eversource today by Trish that those two other conduits, they're not intending to use because they're other utility conduits. which drives another question is how many conduits are they looking to put up? The last project across the street put up three. Why would the project only need one and again? Why can't they use the ones that aren't being used? The whole thing doesn't make sense and I've been trying to make sense of it with Eversource but to no avail.

Can we table this until we can get it resolved with the division? certainly I mean um we're I don't think Matt would have a problem with that I'm sorry for interrupting but I don't think Matt would have a problem with it we can't do anything until April anyhow so I'm just saying so we can solve everything and everyone can be happy

I mean... Colleagues, are there any concerns on your part about keeping this? This would mean keeping it in committee, which would mean it needs to be resubmitted, but if this isn't going to be acted upon for... Several, I'm not several months, a handful of months. I certainly see no issue with that. Councilor Davis.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. And so I have no objection to certainly no objection to, you know, Holding off until we have all the information. Seems like a... Smart way to go forward particularly given that the work there's no rush to start the work and I'll throw you to the clerk just to correct me if I'm wrong but because this item was referred to committee for an action I believe it will remain in the committee but maybe I'm wrong about that but if If I could ask the clerk for confirmation just so we know what the necessary administrative steps will be to make sure we can take this one up once we get more information.

Clark-Wells. Did you catch that?

Yes, thank you. Through the chair to Councilor Davis, that is correct. The item will not need to be resubmitted. It can remain in committee awaiting an action.

Wonderful. Councilor Clingan?

Yeah, I'm in agreement with everybody. I think it's important that we get the president's questions answered. And so happy to support keeping in committee. And as somebody who will be on the committee following this, I'm sure. I'll still be on this committee, but yeah, I think this is the right direction for this item.

Licenses and Permits, the People's Committee. Happy to hear it. With that, I guess I don't need to move to keep this in committee. We'll just keep this one in committee. Mr. Penny, would you like a final word on the item?

Thank you. I'd like to thank the committee for taking it up. And I'd also like to say I don't have any issue with them cutting the street. and I hope that the conduit issue can be resolved I don't want to in any way slow down the project or have any objection to it. It's just that I think it could be the poll issue, I think, can be resolved. And it just needs a little more time. And I thank you for your time.

Deliberative bodies. That's what democracy is all about. That's what I say. Anyway, with that. I see a motion to adjourn from Councillor Davis. Every item has been voted on singularly, so we have no other items to vote on. Any discussion on that motion?

On adjournment, Councilor Davis.

Yes.

Councilor Clingan.

Yes.

Councilor Burnley.

Aye.

With all councillors in favor, this committee is adjourned.

All right, everybody. See you tomorrow.