School Building Facilities and Maintenance Committee

Thank you. All right. Good evening, everyone. This is Tuesday, September 8th, 2026. It is 6 p.m., and we are going to be starting the School Buildings Facilities and Maintenance Committee In the meeting pursuant to Chapter 2 of the Acts of 2025, this meeting of a City Council Committee will be conducted via remote participation. We will post an audio recording, audio video recording, transcript or other comprehensive record of these proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting on the City of Somerville website and local cable access government channels. All right, let's establish quorum please.

This is roll call. Councillor Scott? Councillor Sait? Here. Councillor Link? Here With two councillors present we have

All right, and we will enter a brief recess so that the school committee can establish a party.

Thank you, Chair Link. This is Leron Biton, school committee member for Ward 7 chairing and I will establish quorum for the subcommittee of the same name on the school committee side. So, Laura Pitone, are you here? I am present. And Liz Eldridge, are your here?

Present!

Excellent. I just want to note that the first item on our committee had an error We did not actually have a report to approve from June 3rd because we did not meet on June 3. However, we do have reports to approve for three Other meetings March, April and May. So with your grace for that typo I will entertain a motion to approve those reports

Motion to approve.

Is there a second, Liz?

I apologize, second.

That's okay. Any discussion? If not, we'll go through. Laura, how do you vote?

Yes.

Liz, how and I vote yes. Thanks for letting us take care of that business at the top here, and we will turn it over to Chair Link. Thank you, Chair Pitone.

All right so now we get to reestablish quorum

And this is roll call to reestablish quorum. Councilor Scott? Councilor Sait? Here. Council Link? Here And with two councillors present we have quorum

Okie dokie, let's get cooking. So let's start off with ID 260941. which is approval of the school buildings, facilities and maintenance committee meeting minutes of May 21st. We'll just lay that on the table unless there's any discussion for approval. All right. Moving on to item number two, ID 260839. that the Commissioner of Public Works provide an update to this council on improvements made to custodial staffing at the East Somerville Community School. And I see we've got Commissioner Weissman here, floor is yours.

Thank you, Chair. Eric Wiseman, Commissioner of DPW. So when we spoke to about this, we were still awaiting a final contract with the Local 3 We are very nearly there, I think. The final elements have to be approved by the Council. We were able to post the position, the swing shift position as suggested by this committee. And despite the assurances of the custodians that there was a lot of interest in this position, nobody bid on it. So we are currently staffing the position sort of in a split way between having one

Morning floater come over to the E. Somerville school for that shift and one afternoon floater Come over to E.Somerville School for that Shift In the meantime, the position is Thank you, Commissioner Weissman. That's all great news.

I'll just say I'm really excited that, you know, it seems like we've been making steady progress and, you I know that the contract is a really big piece of this, so I'm really excited. Councilor Sait, see you.

Through Chair Link to Commissioner Wiseman, I'm excited to hear about this update that we heard from this committee. School Committee, and the Council about the importance of having this position and that it's out there. So anyone listening, apply if you're interested. Thank you.

Good to hear. Thank Chair Biton?

Thank you, chair Link. I recognize Liz Eldridge. Go ahead

Thank you. I'm really glad we're talking about this. I was wondering if you could just, Commissioner Wiseman, if you'd just clarify the times. I know there's a lot of discussion about whether or not there's going to be a movement of time into earlier in the day. If you could So we can best understand what time frames we were looking at. Sure, through the chair.

Yeah, I'm actually, I've gotten mixed up a bit myself. It's changed a couple of times. I can just pull up the latest posting if you don't mind. I can add it to the chat if you'd like.

If you're going to add to the chat, I think it has to be shared publicly.

Sorry, if you just bear with me for one moment.

Do you want me to pull it up on the shared screen? The chat is disabled for webinars.

I'll just read it out. Actually, I'm going to have to follow up with HR. I do not see it with the hours posted. So that's like a... Oh no, here it is. 1030 to 6 p.m.

Can you just clarify how that's changed from previously? I know when we started talking about this in April, there was a discussion of possibly moving someone So if you could just confirm for me, maybe that means that we do in fact have coverage through lunchtime. Just to really break it down to the basics.

or through the chair. We have always had coverage through lunchtime. Yeah, so this will provide additional coverage we originally talked about I think 11 to 630 shift and then it got shifted back to 1030-6. And that's why I couldn't remember where the end of the shift was.

Appreciate the clarification. Thank you so much for the work on this.

Before turning it back over to City Council, unless Member Pitone also has a comment. I just want to express... My gratitude to you, Commissioner Wiseman for your cooperation and partnership here. You know even simple shifts in timeframes and looking at schedules requires a tremendous amount of coordination, negotiation. And I think The openness that you have shown to us, to hearing feedback and going to the table talking things through with stakeholders really shows a commitment to listening and

meaningfully responding to feedback so like I just this was exactly the response that um I think constituents were looking for when they raised this question in the first place. So, I just want to reflect to you that I think you are doing the job that is exactly What is called for here. So I'm so glad and grateful to be in a city where we have leaders who are responding that way, meaning this is participatory democracy right here. So just really grateful for that. Thank you, Chair. Happy to work together. Great. Awesome. I see Danielle Berry or... Coordinator for many things. I'm not going to try to repeat your title as a comment. Go ahead, Danielle.

Thank you. Through you, Chair, Danielle Barry, Facility Safety and Transportation Coordinator for Somerville Public Schools. And I do just want to say how thankful we are for DPW for adding Over the past last few months of last school year, the floater custodian that helped during the daytime. It definitely seemed to help improve certain things throughout the building and it was incredible. you know the custodian that was there was able to focus on other tasks and then we had the floater I know we're only a few days into this school year but so far things have been on track and going very smoothly and the East Somerville looked beautiful when we opened it last week so I do want to say a huge thank you to DPW for getting the schools ready.

You're here. Okay, with that gratitude we will move back to City Council. It's all yours Chair Link.

Thank you, Chairman John. So let's um yeah obviously You've heard lots of praise, so I'm not going to keep beating that drum. But let's just move on to the next one. So we've got item number three. 260841, that the Commissioner of Public Works provide an update on the improvements made to the temperature in the Edgerly Education Center Campitorium It says Campitorium and Kitchen, but actually my recollection is that it was maybe only the kitchen following the installation of the air conditioning unit.

Me again, Eric Wiseman, Commissioner of DPW. Yeah, just slight correction. After consulting with the kitchen staff and the administration, the unit was placed in the cafetorium and it sort of cooled both spaces um That went in early summer. We had it in throughout the summer, we removed it to do the floors and the cafeterias part of our summer and then replaced it. And just to give you an example of how it is working, we reinstalled it after the floors had been stripped of waxed The temperature in the cafeteria was 82. Within 30 minutes it got down to 74, so it does appear to be working well in this space. The feedback I've gotten has been positive

so yeah I would say it has been a success that's fantastic news um I'm glad that it is cooling both the spaces as well that is uh that is excellent and so do we have I'm glad to hear that it brought it from in the 80s to the 70s is like Is it lower than this? I guess, is it in the low 70s or high 60s at this point on hot days?

Thank you, Chair. Yeah, the temperature, my understanding is that it's in the like 74 is sort of where it's landing we have it set to a 72 set point but my understanding is like having to do with the way the doors open into the hallway we're ending up Thank you so much for joining us. uh some with the principal about some logistical changes about how those doors are used and I think Eventually, we'll be able to keep it cooler and keep those hallway doors closed. But I think it is at an acceptable temperature as is.

Wonderful. Thank you very much. All right. I am happy to hand it over then to Chair Pitone and the school committee.

Thank you, Chair Link. Rep Pitone, it's all yours.

Thank Chair, I just want to put in a thank you. This was something that wasn't originally planned and the city and through the direction of Mr. Wiseman and really move forward to try to figure out a solution that would have an effect not only on the staff, which is huge but also a positive impact on the students. I'm curious, this would be a question through you to Ms. Berry what kind of feedback are we getting from the staff at The Edgerly and whether or not we've really had a really, really hot day to see what the impact is with full occupancy.

So through you chair All feedback has been very positive. We were over the summertime able to do hot meals for the AIM program for the extended school year. at the Edgerly. So that was great because we couldn't do that in the past so that was something very wonderful that we were able to do this year and so far the days have been Not so extreme heat, but feedback has still been positive and food services is very grateful. And I know Principal Gosselin is very thankful that we have The new air conditioning in place just to make it more comfortable for all.

Brett Pitone, go ahead.

Thank you. Three years of follow-up. I guess without Knowing how the experience will be in a hot day, like a June day or if we happen to have some hotter days in September I'm only curious about, I guess to the commissioner about what kind of monitoring is going to happen and at what point do you make a decision as saying okay well this is good enough or that we need to consider Thank you through the chair. I think we will

This is one of the things that's absolutely on our radar. We have several staff that look at these issues, including our building systems manager. I think at some point, if we found that this didn't work, we would have to start to think really creatively. Because even with this, we're butting up to the limits of the electrical capacity of the building. But we have a very creative crew over at the building shop, so if there's anything we could do, we will certainly exhaust any options we have.

Just to follow up and through the chair, to the commissioner. I apologize it's been a long summer but there were some plans that in Potentially to do upgrades to the electrical system or did that stuff get shelved or we're just waiting for equipment can you just refresh the group with this?

Yeah, thank you. Through the chair, I think that's somewhat beyond the realm of my expertise. That would be, I So I hesitate to speak on that, but given the constraints of the building we would absolutely explore every avenue to make that space comfortable.

And through the chair, just to confirm, so you guys are going to be monitoring if it gets to a point where it becomes uncomfortable again. That will be a report out at some point. I mean, I don't know if you guys closed this issue. That's up to you, but I'm just... Thinking about the monitoring and the follow-up.

Yeah, through the chair I'm not 100% sure What type of a report you would be expecting? But I can guarantee that if this system fails, we will be talking about this further probably in this committee.

Thank you, Commissioner. Thanks, Rep Pitone. Ms. Berry, go ahead.

Through you, Chair. I just wanted to add that the Director and Assistant Director of Food Services have worked very closely with DPW through the process of the placement of the unit and all the restrictions with the safe serve process and things like that. And they know not to hesitate to reach out should there be an issue If they find that it's not cooling as well as it was, they're in constant contact with myself or with a representative from DPW. We've kind of been tracking, in a sense, and monitoring that way as well. Just to give you a little feedback on... And we haven't heard anything yet, which is great news.

Yeah, in that sense silence is the best news we can have there. Again, gratitude to DPW for this great work and hopefully that's the end of the conversation and we can move on. Thanks again. Chair Link? We'll send it back to you.

Thank you, Chair. I will just point out, I just took a quick look and it looks like Thursday will be kind of a hotter day. So might be a good day to check in this week. Thank you, Charlie. Keep an eye on it. All right, so I'm realizing right now that we've moved through a couple items without... Setting a disposition. Sorry, Clark. So can we just go back real quick here? So we're going to lay... 260839 um which uh i think no so i think that one we can just we can mark as complete and then we just did, yeah so 26841.

So why don't we leave that for discussion? We'll table it for another meeting just to check back in one last time How we fared on these warm days.

Unless anyone... Carrie, you'd like to keep it in committee?

Yes. Sorry. Keep it in community. All right. So now let's move on to item number 4, 261022. Expressing and recognizing appreciation for the Department of Public Works, the Department Division of Public Health and the Inspectional Services Department for their work in addressing rodent issues in the West Somerville Neighborhood School. Commissioner Wiseman, are you planning to speak on that one? No we don't have Director Nagin-Williams here.

Thank you, Chair. I appreciate the recognition. I don't think my counterpart in the health department is available. In this meeting, I'm not sure but he and his team worked very hard on this as well I would say that we are, you know, like, I wish I could say that work complete on this one. But like, you know we will continue to monitor and work with the school department on rodent issues at this school in all of our schools so thank you for the recognition yes um so yeah uh it's i think you know

City with a lot of rodents, unfortunately. Schools where there's so much food and there's such a large source of everything that they want. I'm sure that this makes it extra challenging, so I'm glad that we're going to keep at this. I'm not seeing anyone. So, Councilor Sait?

Yeah, just expressing my gratitude to DPW, Commissioner Weisman, your staff and all the other departments. I love meeting when there's three consecutive good news. So yeah, it's... Let's continue with good news. All right, thank you.

Chair, thank-you. Chair Biton? Thank you, Chair Link. Sharing the celebration here I guess, so I did have a chance to check in with Ms. Barry about this maybe a week ago now it's hard to keep track of time and The update on this that I was hearing just from what happened over the summer, if I'm recounting correctly and please Danielle correct me if I am wrong We don't know yet what the impact is going to be in terms of... I think we're feeling good about all the work that was done. But as we all know, school is a substantially different place in the summer than it is when it is in session.

and then compound that with the fact that work is now in progress with The Roof at West Somerville, Construction work sometimes exacerbates and sort of draws out rodents that wouldn't otherwise be active. So this I think is an area where we're going to need to Be vigilant and if we start to see an uptick here, we may need to revisit some of the strategies that were successful in the spring and again deep gratitude to all the different coordinating partners that helped with this problem because as I heard This school was actually among the biggest rodent issues for school buildings in the city in the spring, so...

This does seem like we got ahead of it, and I'm grateful for that. And we should just not take our... No, all good.

And this is something through you, Chair, that when we start conducting our annual school building walkthroughs We do have a member from ISD joining us to also reiterate the needs of the different school buildings with rodent mitigation.

Excellent, yep that's that's the kind of coordination that in particular Ms. Berry I think the um the role that you are playing in coordinating all these different partners with respect to our school buildings is so pivotal. And I'm glad we've invested in this position. Really glad you're here as a partner with us and bringing all these partners together. So it's all, I'm very pleased at the work that is happening.

Thank you very much.

All right, another good news story unless there's comments from my colleagues we'll pass it back to you Chair Link

Fantastic. All right. So let's keep moving. So I think, well, so Tripitone, how would you... Are you... Oh yeah, I recommend...

to close that item.

Okay, so let's mark this one as complete and move on. So sorry I've just lost my... There we are. Okay, so next up we are on... Item number five, 260710 that the Commissioner of Public Works and the Director of Infrastructure and Asset Management update this council and the school committee about safety improvements to security cameras, enclosed schoolyard fencing, balconies and other infrastructure at the Argenziano School. Director Weiss Who's speaking? I can certainly speak on the first two items in this list.

I wanted to just share with the committee that the security cameras have been installed and they are functional. and we completed the schoolyard enclosure Fencing project earlier in the season as well. So I wanted to let you know about that infrastructure.

So both my kids go to Argentina, so I get to see a lot of these things. Yeah, the fence seems to be working, keeping all the kids corralled in a way that done it. It was a very porous system before. And with the very littles, it's keeping them in place. So it's nice to see that. All righty. I think that one of the other big questions still was the balcony and those questions about what was going to happen there. Director Race, do you have any updates there?

Thank you, Chair. The decision was made to not pursue any changes to the balcony for two primary reasons. One... Any additional interventions there would be extremely invasive. There's no sort of simple light touch solution there. It would essentially amount to bars. on, you know, in sort of looked like a jail. The other more pressing or, you The thought there is that that condition is compliant with Massachusetts state building code. and that condition exists in numerous other locations throughout the city. The Capuano, in fact, has that same sort of design As is the high school, a few other buildings. And that condition is present at essentially every staircase.

Especially on the top landings of every staircase. And so anyone that's had this sort of question simply turns back to Massachusetts State Building Code and as long as you are compliant with that, that is what sort of sets the precedent there. And it's advisable for us to follow that.

Okay. Alright, that's good to hear the logic there. It's not my area of expertise so I'm going to defer on that one Thank you, Chair Link. And thank you, Commissioner Wiseman.

Thank you Director Raish for the update. I guess, um, I do have a question about the safety improvements at The Balcony. I know that several different treatments have been considered including plexiglass treatment that I hadn't heard compared to Bars. Maybe it was infeasible to pursue that solution. For either for that reason or for a different reason. I guess I'd be curious... Which of the different options are we talking about?

Are we talking any option as being infeasible for because of the way it might present and we certainly don't want to present a jail-like I attended a high school that very much resembled a jail. I think many people have, but we definitely don't want that for our students. We want them to be places of joy. and learning of course. But the second question I have, so that's one what are the options? And the second questions if I may just pile on is I'm curious how this interacts with what our instructional leaders have indicated. This was a request that came from

the principal, and then was relayed through our superintendent and senior leadership in our school department. and so if they are indicating it as a developmentally appropriate need in this situation I guess Was there a consultation with your office before that came to the school committee? I'm just curious about how that communication flow got us here to this point. I'll let you decide which of those you want to answer first.

Well, I can try to answer all of them. The concept of the plexiglass has two sort of drawbacks. One, Plexiglas on its own is not sort of structurally sound enough so it would have to be reinforced by bars that Regular intervals, so it would not present quite as jail-like in a series of bars, but there would still be bars along with the plexiglass. Flexiclass also presents lots of challenges for operations, maintenance and cleaning, particularly on the backside of it. Um, where you would need additional equipment like a scissor lift to clean it from the backside. Argenzianos from the cafeteria. But as I say, this condition persists at various locations including the high school and the Capuano from which this stream was relocated

and educators at the Capuano had never raised any concerns about that condition at the and at every stairwell. So, you know while that balcony over the cafeteria is sort of an obvious place Addressing that alone does not actually address the overall concerns because you still have it at the stairwells and at the other schools. and you know again at the end of the day it is compliant with Massachusetts state building code and so you know that's what sets the precedent for this. You know, there's pretty much any sort of building thing that anyone can

raise a concern over but at the end of the day if it is of concern enough like the doors of the coconut grove why all doors open out you know that the building code is It is the definer of that use. In terms of the chain of how this came to IAM, it came to us rather late and Fully privy on the exact communication chain from educators to the principal and to the superintendent's office. I believe we were then put on the case to investigate it after it had already gone to school committee.

Okay, Director Raish, I appreciate that response. And I see Rep Eldridge is also online so I will recognize her.

Thank you for the share. I just wanted to say it was lovely to watch how quickly um the fences went up and from my conversations from uh with staff over at Argentiniano I'm hearing that there's just like a bit of general relief that that area is now enclosed and that also it ended Thank you for watching! It wasn't a huge change. I know there were some questions from constituents concerned about the height of the fence and although I don't have any I'm wondering if anyone's heard anything about if the height of fence has been sufficient in all areas?

and I guess just generally speaking would love to kind of continue to hear updates on this because you know the needs of our communities, communities and our students can ebb and flow. And I think making sure that we're meeting the needs Our educators to make everyone feel safe. I would just love to continue to receive updates as we settle into the new really amazing improvements that were made.

All right. Rep Pitone, please.

Thank you. Through you. I guess this question goes through to Ms. Barry, I'm just curious absolutely understand and hear from the city what their perspective is that This condition regarding the open space on the second floor that this condition exists in other buildings. and that it is to code. Was there any thought, position or feedback from the principal and or the superintendent in terms of how satisfied they are with this current outcome and whether or not it's something that needs to be pursued or not? from their perspective.

Thank you. Through you, Chair. I don't necessarily want to speak on behalf of the superintendent or the principal. I do know that Some families had addressed their concerns to the principal when they found out about the move as well as the director of Special Education and I think that's how the chain originally started. I think at this time we are going to take the advice of the experts in capital projects and go with their um advice on leaving it as is for the time being and just continuing to monitor the situation and see if any needs arise through this school year.

May I follow up? Yeah, of course. Thank you through the chair. I wonder if it makes sense to leave this item open until we get feedback more explicitly from the district because again, I'm with everybody else and I'm applauding all the good work that has happened It may make sense to sustain it the way it is based on the expert recommendation, but I do really want to close a loop here from the district's perspective on whether or not they're satisfied with that decision.

Rep. Pitone, I agree with you and I just want to add, you know, I certainly respect the professional opinion of the experts on the call and in our city staff and appreciate all the work that they are doing to provide a suitable learning environment for our students every day. And educators come into our buildings and do the great work that happens in our school buildings. You know, when we design our streets here in Somerville We do not stop at the state's minimum requirements for road safety. And that's because we know that our most vulnerable road users are at an increased risk of injury or fatality, right? So this is just an example

maybe an imperfect analogy I'm certainly not saying that you know anyone is necessarily going to be injured but we just we want to think about things holistically and with an equity mindset right so Those users of our building who may be at an increased risk and may have individualized needs and there may be enough of these students to warrant additional treatment of this area. I'm not, certainly not saying I know the answer but it's just something that You know, I think we think about things in a more nuanced way than simply

you know it meets code and that is one metric but it's not I think the only metric that we need to consider so my opinion and I certainly think that we should leave this open until we have that input from administration, school administration and maybe we can revisit it and close it out at that time. Great. Appreciate everyone's work there, and I will turn it back over to Councilor Link.

Thank you very much, Tripitone. I realized that I'd forgotten to ask one question. I wanted to follow up and make sure you know like i said all my kids go there so i get to see that space regularly and it looks like everything's fine but um i just want to make sure that we did You know, confirm that the fire department gave the new enclosure the A-OK. Danielle?

Yes, I do remember this coming up. So I immediately reached out to the fire department and the chief and the deputy chief went down right away and met with DPW and Carly Fence and everything was great on their end.

Wonderful. I assumed as much, but I would feel foolish not asking.

No problem. Thank you.

Alrighty. So yeah, I guess what I'm hearing is we'd like to keep this one in committee. So let's... Do that. And move on then to item number six, the penultimate 260241 that the administration provide the committee on school building facilities and maintenance with regular updates on the Massachusetts School Building Authority process for the Winterhill and Brown schools. Doctoration.

Okay, hopefully this update is more embraced than the last update I had. So I think as most folks know, we submitted the preferred schematic report to PSR. To the MSBA. MSBA staff have performed their cursory review of it, had a few follow-on questions. Just for mostly figure clarifications that they sent along our way, the Perkins Eastman team was able to turn around responses to those questions in I think less than 24 hours. and staff are finishing their review. They're putting us into the queue so that the standard procedure is at a subcommittee of the board, facilities assessment subcommittee FAS

is the formal subcommittee of the MSBA board that reviews that submission. The staff are going to put us on the agenda for either September 16th or September 30th. They have a bunch of other schools in the pipeline as well, so we haven't received our commitment date. We're kind of hoping for the 16th, but the 30th at the latest. That will be the board's opportunity to review the submission including the education plan So there's sort of two parts to the presentation that we will give to that subcommittee. One on the education plan, which will largely be led by Dr. Carmona and likely Principal Gosselin in support. also with support from our consultant Perkins Eastman and then Perkins-Eastman will then lead the discussion on the building.

Following that, we hope to come out of that subcommittee with a recommendation. That will go to the full board later in the fall for a vote, which would then hopefully advance us to the next stage, which we schematic design. but the headline here, if I sort of buried it in all those words is that we continue to be on track with our very aggressive schedule as the committees remember. We challenged Perkins Eastman to do this as quickly and we're happy to pay a premium for time over costs and they have risen to every occasion. And again, the idea that they turned around questions in 24 hours shows the dedication of the team. So we're on track. As I'm thinking about it, sort of public service announcement, Civic Day is this coming Thursday the 10th?

Perkins Eastman will have a table there as part of their community outreach that they've been doing. They've had about... Aboff, Um, at a minimum we'll be at wards four five and six. But I don't want to exclude one two and seven so we might show up there too and the real exciting part, it's not going to be ready for Civic Day but they're working on the model of the neighborhood and the building and how it sits in so we will actually I mean, I like the 2Ds, but people like the 3D models. So our hope is we'll have the 3d model in time for those ward meetings.

Thank you, Director. I'm curious the there was I think the last time we spoke about this, there is about to be some like test forings to see what was possible to those I mean, I'm obviously not going to understand if you go into the technical details. But was it a positive outcome? Did we see what we were hoping?

Yeah, through the chair. The test borings are informing a number of different things associated with the design. Each one is on sort of a separate track. Certainly nothing about the test borings raised any concerns about the foundation for the building, which is good because we've had buildings there for a while. It did indicate high ledge or bedrock, which would be a large cost factor Should we decide to put a parking garage below? Because we would have to blast through ledge. So as we're examining... The feasibility or the desirability in the costs of the parking options that will impact the parking.

The third thing that it gives us information on, or at least preliminarily there's more borings have to happen is on the idea of geothermal because we obviously want a net zero building and are examining A few different mechanical systems that would get us there, geo or air exchange for that. Nothing came back that said it's not feasible but more testing has to be done. So far, interesting. I think we're going to mobilize, especially given that we found the ledge where we did. and want to refine the cost estimates for the parking option. I think we're going to advance a few more borings to get a better idea of where it drops off or where it doesn't drop off. So there's still more, but we're early enough in the design phase that this is sort of normal business for us. Wonderful.

Thank you very much.

Councilor Sait?

Thank you for this update. And yeah, thank you for... I'm really excited that they will have a table award meetings and also on Thursday so we can get to ask questions and the community get to see the 3D model. hopefully um and um yeah and you just mentioned geothermal I was just going to ask a question about that At 12 points in the process, we're going to know for sure that geothermal can happen. We know that there are a lot of state incentives and we can get that mostly covered by the state. Yeah, we definitely don't want to miss out on that.

Beth, thank you to the Ward 5 Councilor for the Chair. That's something that we're continuing to investigate and design. I think probably if I had to hazard a guess We'll have a go-no-go on the geothermal decision probably in the February timeframe. That's probably where, you know, the timeframe in which that we'll have all the information we need to make a go no-go.

Okay, thank you director. and the other one again this is we're still in the early phases of this process but making sure that we apply for once you know we get that you know approval to have geothermal or know that it's possible to have geothermal is to start that application process because it takes a really long time and we don't, yeah, a lot of those fonts and programs are going away unfortunately so just you know I keep flagging this for your team by email and yeah I think Groovere is the next district to have geothermal, if you remember correctly.

Yes, it is Revere. So I hope we're gonna be next. Thank you.

So I'll just kind of close out on our side by just saying that I really appreciate that we have heavily weighed You know, the urgency of this just because you know while we've done I think as good a job as we can with the Edgerly School making it a school that works. It is obviously like as we can see regularly it's just it's not really built for what we're doing with it and you know I'm just really thankful that we're moving on this fast that we are not treating Nice to have if it could be fast. It's really, really reassuring to see that we've got... Our consultants moving quickly and your team moving quickly. And I just really hope we continue to move quickly and continue to keep that sense of urgency.

Also, if I may, the school committee also played a part in that because they needed to review and vote on it to authorize Chair Ackman to sign it. And we had two meetings during recess so that the school committee is actively participating in our crushed schedule by giving up their recess.

Well, then I will also extend my thanks to the school committee.

All right, Chair Biton? Thank you. Chair Link, and Director Raish for that. I feel we played some part but a small part in moving that forward. So just curious, if the geothermal energy solution is not selected. I know that the city itself has climate action goals. The school committee has a resolution That is non-binding to the city, but certainly our stated on record view is that our buildings should be zero carbon moving forward.

My question to you is, if we don't go with geothermal what other energy solutions are we considering? My strong hope is that it is not a fossil solution that would provide heat and power in the building, but just an open question.

To the chair or to the chair. The other option, so the ground source exchange is Thank you for joining us. If the ground source exchange doesn't prove out, it does have higher capital costs but much lower operations maintenance and replacement costs. The alternative to that is AirExchange. So it's still a heat pump system, much like the one I installed in my own home under MassSave's Grant. It's an air exchange, which is not as efficient requires more electricity and the equipment needs to be replaced on a faster schedule.

So if you look at lifecycle costs, we're hoping that we can get ground source geothermal to pencil out. But otherwise, we'll likely be looking at air source.

Great news. Thank you for sharing that. Rep Pitone?

Thank you, Chair. I apologize, you may have already hit this to Director Raish. Is it that it's not viable possibly from a cost perspective? You're talking about geothermal or is it some kind of Issue just with the site. Just trying to understand because I know that geothermal, I thought we possibly get money and grants and different things to help with that.

Yeah, through the chair. I mean certainly there is an economic analysis happening. Grants aside and our eligibility for grants aside There is a higher out front cost. We have to do our due diligence on... on the capital costs evaluation. And Medford's doing the same thing right now, as a matter of fact. They're looking at a go-no-go, although I think their no-go is gas fired. But it's more from a technical perspective. Apparently that the presence of bedrock is likely in our favor on this, but we need to know a little bit more about that sort of geologic... It's interesting that we have had zero geothermal done in the entire city of Somerville.

We have only, even on the private side, there has only been one permit issued to install geothermal and then the owner of that project decided not to pursue it um and then there was a second one that was contemplating permitting and then never submitted a permit so as of right now on both private and public side we don't have any geothermal in Somerville so we're We're pioneering here in our 4.2 square miles with this project.

So just to follow up, yes there has to be an economic analysis. Yes there may be money out there to help support it but is more a site specific question on whether or not the site itself from a geological technology standpoint is really the right place to do geothermal.

I just want to make sure I understand that it also has to do with our available footprint because it is a very tight site and we're developing most of the site which isn't to say that we couldn't sink wells under some portion of the building. We would still have to be able to have access to it We're also looking next door at the Annex site as possible supplemental. So it's if we can develop enough wells Within our footprint is a big part of the analysis.

Thank you, I appreciate that. I have a procedural question through the chair and I apologize if I'm absolutely out of order. I just had the question from when we were discussing The Edgerly and the HVAC. I know that Director Raish wasn't on the call, and we were all very excited about what DBW has done regarding HVAC in the kitchen area at the Edgerly. But there was still, for me, their outstanding question I didn't remember What had happened to potential plans to upgrade the electrical? The procedural question is, may I ask this question now even though we're on a different item because we never close the old item. and I'd rather discuss this publicly than email directly from a procedural standpoint.

It's on our agenda. I'm happy to entertain the question.

Yeah, I just wanted to jump out and answer the question then have someone yell at me that I was out of order. But as Commissioner Weissman pointed out, we're essentially at the electrical limit of that building. The next thing we need to do is install a new transformer, which we have We haven't done a go-no-go on that yet, and also acknowledging that it is a long lead item on the Eversource time. So even if we went go today, that likely wouldn't go in until next summer. The prioritization of that is something we will be discussing later.

with Dr. Carmona and his staff where you know over the next two months as we'll be discussing on agenda item number seven We're working out the capital investment plan for the next five years. And when it comes to schools, we sort of follow SPS's priorities and we'll be picking out our you know summer project for This coming summer and the following summer. So between the balance of the city's financial capabilities and what we can do in any given summer, That project will be scheduled in the next five-year horizon and we'll be reporting that out in November. I'll get a little bit more into that on the next one.

And just a quick follow up. First of all, thank you because I didn't really know where that sat and I know you're going to this is going to be part of the analysis that's the risk associated with not updating the electrical because obviously there's this solution that came for Trying to resolve the air conditioning issue and we're not positive that that is the solution but everyone's feeling good about it. Are there other risks associated with not upgrading that panel?

through the chair for sure and this is sort of stealing the thunder from agenda item number seven but you know as I say Under the new city charter that we're just under this year, the mayor now has to submit a... Capital Investment Plan to the City Council for approval on an annual basis, for approval in November. That was not the case before. and a very sad report that we went for four years without updating our CIP publicly. So, you know, we're working on it right now. We're sort of in the early stages, largely with finance, understanding our financial capability, working with a few other department heads and amassing our resources Very long list of needs and prioritizing those. So, you know, which is to say we're going through the exercise.

We're gonna be getting feedback from a lot of different departments SPS included on prioritization, understand what our financial capacity is. The mayor will then approve or have final say on that five-year CIP and we'll publish it in November. Now that said... I can sort of anticipate where a lot of these things are going to fall on the overall spectrum. and my educated guess is that the transformer and electrical upgrade for the Edgerly will happen within this five-year window. it's only a question of when in that five-year window because they're there as you sort of rightly point out we are very dependent on that building like right now for winter hill but also in the long term

It is the vital classroom swing space that we anticipate needing to do a lot of upgrade updates and upgrades at the other schools, East, West, Kennedy, Healy. A lot of the things that we want and will be needing to do in those buildings over the next decade, we can't do while fully populated with students. The edgerly is a very important asset to us over the next couple of decades to facilitate all that other work that's going to come up because we want to do it ahead of schedule and not have another Winter Hill happen to us and have school close suddenly. So all of that is to say, investments in the edgerly are important strategically to us in the long term. So that electric upgrade to that building It's not a pretty building, but the bones of the building are excellent.

And we want to keep it going for us for a lot more time.

Well, I really appreciate that update and then it's still in the worldview and all the planning that's being done to make sure that our buildings are not going to have to go offline in an unplanned way. Can you give me one last answer, which is do we have an order of magnitude of what that project is going to cost?

We do. And much like Commissioner Wiseman, I can't memorize all the numbers in the world. Give me one second. The number we're carrying right now for budgeting purposes is $3 million.

Thank you.

It's a bargain at twice the price. All right, seeing no more questions I will turn it back over to you Chair Link.

So for the purposes of the City Council, we're still on item number 626-0241 and I think as always, we'll just keep that one in committee. Oh, Councilor Sait, I see your hand.

Yeah, so you can select before you close that item. I guess the conversation was not about the item but the item that we kept in committee about the electrical upgrade at the elderly yeah and just to follow up um I'll definitely be looking at the capital project. Yeah, like all... Looking at this specifically when we get that in November... um and i'm glad to hear that we are willing to invest we want to invest in the building and at some point in the next five years that electrical upgrade will happen. It's three million, it's a lot of money There are a lot of priorities in the schools, and one request is if your staff can look into any grants for this.

I, as you know, a resident did the massive thing and they have, you know... They're not grants, they're rebates for that. And I wonder for schools if the state offers anything like that. specifically for electrical upgrades too since the purpose is having air heat pumps just something to look into

To the chair, our grants department are tracking a few different avenues for us. And so that's something we do stay on top of.

Okay, thank you. Happy to hear that. And then one last comment regarding the item on updates on the Winter Hill. I hear you when you say, you know, there's the economic analysis we want to make sure for like geothermal that we are You know, the finances make sense for it. If you know the geology of the site allows us to do that I would just reiterate that I get that is the upfront cost but and it can you know it will add a lot to the cost you know of the building but let's also remember also there is the in the long run we'll save a lot of money um I know this is not always how we approach school buildings because it costs a lot of money and we want to know in the moment do we have the money for this.

So just want to say that.

Good counselors. I actually, I totally agree with the good counselor from Ward 5 just said. I think there's a few like we you know We've seen a couple times where it's like, oh, yeah. I think we've all as individual consumers experienced the thing where we're like, Oh, you know, I saved $1,000 but I would have gladly paid that thousand dollars We've got the different model car or something like that. A thousand more dollars and I would have had more space for my kids, something like That. So we've seen that also with the high school where we're kind of like, oh, we wish there was – we'd gotten more parking in there and figure that kind of thing out. So I'm really hoping that we can balance the painful money conversation with like What we're going to stick, not just us but the next few generations with if we make the cheap choice. Just because it's cheap.

which I don't think anyone's going to do here. I trust the judgment of everyone on this, but I do want to keep it in mind. All right, so that one is still going to be kept in committee. And then let's go on to the last one. It's item number seven, 26. Dash 0063 that the Commission of Public Works and the Director of Engineering explore the feasibility of establishing a teen center at the Cummings School, accessible via School Street, considering current building uses, and provide this Council with analysis on space availability, operational considerations, community impacts and potential next steps. and I know Director H, I think you sent us... And I just wanna check in actually with the school committee. I should have checked on this. There was a supplemental item for this, like a handout. Did the school committee get that?

Yes, they did.

Perfect. Awesome.

Dardarish, the floor is yours. Great. So the headline here is that we were already, Capital was already performing an analysis of the building as a result of the memorandum of understanding with the school committee that allowed the warming center Last year, so we had done a fairly extensive investigation into the building. As I believe I've told the committee before, the Cummings building is in very rough shape. The school street wing in particular has some structural issues Aboff, before we could even contemplate occupying the school street wing of the building.

The analysis also identified several lentils over doorways and windows that are of concern where there's brick, concrete, and mortar. That is ready to fall from those areas, so there's extensive repairs needed on those. There's also extensive electrical issues. The building is not currently sprinklered or alarmed. So in order to occupy, we'd be looking at a lot of code updates and a lot ADA compliance issues It is true for both wings, but it is more cute on the school street side than it is on the Prescott Street side. It is also a very awkwardly configured building.

So ADA compliance in that building and sort of integrating the two wings, or almost three wings really, together from an ADA standpoint is very challenging. All that is to say that the cost estimates to occupy that building for any number of uses, for swing space, ostensibly for the brown. For a teen center, even for general office use if we wanted to sort of Play musical chairs with other programs, like say at the TAB. All of those cost estimates come in very high. As I said in the last item, we're currently evaluating the city's financial capability and the whole universe of wants and needs.

and we will be consulting with Dr. Carmona's staff and others on the prioritization but that said And so again, we'll really have an answer to this question in November. But this is almost the corollary in my mind to the edgerly electric upgrades. Like, the edgely electric upgrades at $3 million while not super cheap is an order of magnitude less than this and is a very high priority item for us strategically. We may be surprised as we go through the CIP, but as we're sitting here in September I think it's a very narrow path Aboff,

But I just want to be sort of forthcoming with that evaluation on the directionality of what's likely to come out in November.

Wonderful. Curriculatory, could you please put the handout? Maybe just like the first page of it I guess on the screen just so people can see. Thank you very much, Director Isha. Yeah so I took a look at it. I do think especially hearing more about how we have these Kind of long-term plans for using the edgerly, which was the 18 space. I'm really hoping that we can, if not this, figure out where that... I'm curious though, so obviously it's kind of an eye-bulging price to hang the $28 million.

I noticed though that part of that included a reconfiguration of the current parking lot and and doing uh either redoing or redoing the um I know there is a playground there already I'm not sure if that's how it's um how it was kind of considered but that there was like a you know redoing so you know I'm just I'm curious how much of that like it you know is would it have to be like let's say we said like this the playground and the um Parking lot can stay as is. Would that save us $10 million? I don't know. I'd have to go back, Chair, and get the detailed breakdown from Cashin's

um but it's it's not anywhere near that level of I don't think we can cut that much cost out of this all right um

yeah okay great uh so yeah i just to reiterate then i you know i just i'm really hoping that we can we can find us uh you know if it's not this space it is like i said it's an eye-bulging amount of money but like You know, there's not... It sounds like we're going to be out of a great space for the teen center for a while. um so this you know uh i'd rather and you know obviously there's yeah you know we don't have a lot going on with the that I know of maybe you will learn more in the capital investment one, but the nearby, the central library is also doesn't have a lot of space for teens or anything like that. So it's... All right, but I will stop talking now. And I guess I'll hand it over to Chair Pitone.

Thank you, Chair Link.

Rep Pitone, go ahead.

Thank you, Chair. First of all really pleased to see the memo maybe not always as pleased to what's in the memo but that um the work is moving forward to think about that building and how it could play into plans for the district and or the city. I guess it opens for me a can of worms that you may or may not be able to speak to Director Rafe about. Like, we've been sitting on this building for many years. It has never been a school at least in my lifetime on school committee which is closing in on almost 13 years so um I'm thinking about the bigger picture and I know that's not necessarily our scope of this building committee but when I look at numbers and granted the memo cost of

whatever it was I apologize they have in front of me yeah the 28 million with a contingency and all that work you know it's a lot of money but considering that a new school building itself costs you know 250 million dollars um It's a question. I know the work that would be done wouldn't necessarily making it into a state-of-the-art building, but having to be ADA compliant and have all the electrical and all the sprinklers and all So I guess I'm getting into the question, which again, I don't think I'm expecting you to be able to answer. But there is a bigger question. The school committee has the authority and responsibility at some point to consider releasing this building. and we have been hemming and hawing waiting for plans to address other issues which have been thankfully moving forward with the work on the Winter Hill. Potentially plans to upgrade the edgerly, but at some point The school committee will have to take that up and make an active decision about what to do with

a building that is you know highly under uh not even a building but a property that's incredibly underutilized because we all know that it takes a huge investment to do something with it so I don't know what forums these conversations are going to take. I know the school committee, again, at the point where we have to make a decision whether or not to release this as a school building has to happen at some point and I'm sure the school community as a body will want more information But again, questions about having a teen center or even a community center that could cost us $28 million versus having to build one for $400 million. Again, it wouldn't be ideally what we want. I'm curious if there's any thoughts that have been going into that. I'd appreciate any insight.

To the chair, I think you... Because the building is within the control of the school committee, we being city staff administration through three administrations that I work with now haven't given much consideration to that building or what could or should be done. Based on the building condition and its frankly awkward configuration, My opinion is that any reuse or reconstruction or rehabilitation of that building is not worth the effort and that the land that it is on

A better path forward would be demolition of that building and reconstruction on that site. For what purpose or at what magnitude, that because it's controlled by the school committee should be something that the school community deliberates over. and to the extent that I can fit it into my budget, including workload with staff time. I'm happy to be a partner in Capital Projects is happy to do your partner to the school committee on evaluating those sorts of options. But that initial thought on disposition really does start with the school

Thank you through the chair. I'll bring... What we've talked about here to the school committee chair and to the superintendent, just to start the dialogue. Again, I don't know what the right timing is. I don' t know what at least you know getting this memo is really an opportunity to start moving the gears forward um to address again a highly underutilized property that could serve whether it's Raising capital by selling it or sustaining it and doing something useful on it. But again, it all depends on the budgeting that happens in anything that has to happen with either that building or rebuilding building is going to be a huge investment for the city so thank you

Thanks, Rep. Pitone.

I'm going to add my own question. Maybe you should have done my homework. But I thought I recalled the Swing Space... Solution offered by the city previously included as a first step, the TAB building as sort of an interim solution. and then as a second step, the redevelopment of The Cummings School. Again my memory might be failing me here and I would need to go back and look but Is this then a departure from that solution, that sort of contingency planning for Swingspace? So...

Maybe you can remind me, Director Raish about where we were with that previous memo we got.

A coordinator of multiple things, Danielle Berry can give a report on where the continuity operations plan is. But in general... Reuse of the Cummings writ large is essentially off the table now. We do have some spaces that under the emergency certificate of occupancy, we can... Leverage, the two rooms that are used for the warming center and Adjacent support areas are viable for us for some staff, just not large numbers.

So we got a memo, I'm just confused here because we got this memo like last fall was it? That indicated this plan... And I understand that this deeper probing of the building, just to make sure I understand, this is now off the table. So what... Maybe it's a question for Ms. Berry, what is our contingency then for Swing Space in the event that the TAB building is needed as Swingspace, right? This was tab building was kind of our immediate solution. And then longer term we were going to be developing a second space that was identified in the memo as the Cummings School

Do we have a... So is that now off the table? And Director Raich, I see you're shaking your head. Again, my memory may be faulty here.

Yeah, we had never identified the Cummings as a secondary space. The secondary space has to be explored with our neighbors and the Archdiocese. And they are areas that we can't at any given time, like right now specify what they are But we have mutual aid support in place that, again, the immediate move would be to pivot to The tab, because we have control of that and we can move that quickly. And then work with our neighboring cities in the Archdiocese on a medium to long-term house, if that's what's needed. So it was never the Cummings? The Cummins had been contemplated

For displaced office folks from the tab. But the... Basically, the top stop on the number of staff that we could move to the Cummings is lower than we had hoped in November. But not appreciably so.

All right, I appreciate you helping to jog my memory here and I'm sorry. Ms. Berry did you want to add?

For you Chair, With the MOU for the warming center, I think that's where you're thinking as the swing space but it is part of the continuity of operations plan which is attached to that MOU or the warming space. to use the tab as the immediate relocation spot for if should we have an emergency school closure.

Okay, and that was the immediate use. And then in the longer term, does that MOU specify working with neighbors and potential of the archdiocese? I mean, it's weird to me that this was identified in the Cummings School MOU that we're talking about buildings other than the Cumming School as being potential swing space. And maybe that's just something I need to get my head around and the cause of my own confusion.

Through you, Chair. I believe from my understanding is because the Cummings School was not going to be a viable option as a swing space, we wanted to make sure we could utilize another location which was identified as the TAB building.

All right, I appreciate that. The second question if I may is about the capital investment plan You indicated in the memo, and I actually appreciate the certainty that you provided in the A considerable investment as part of the capital investment plan Is that capital investment Like a five-year horizon document? Is it a ten-year Horizon Document is it a one year?

No, through the church. It's a five year plan horizon

Okay, so extrapolating then we can expect that at this time you are not recommending your department is not recommending inclusion of the redevelopment of the Cummings School as either swing space or office space in the next five years.

Correct. And again, just for clarity, my recommendation isn't the only one. There's a number of other departments that get their way in on this. But looking at... The universe of needs and wants and what the economic reality is for the next five years, you know, there's just... Many more things that we're going to need and want to fund than this.

Right, yep. Such is the nature of municipal government right now Our resources are stretched thin and the demands are great. Rep Eldridge, go ahead.

Thank you for the chair. My apologies if this has been discussed or I'm missing it elsewhere. If the Cummings School isn't recommended in the specific use of it as a teen center... Is there any other identified options or will there be in the capital investment plan of other options to explore for a teen center? I'm hearing a lot from constituents and also through the city how important it is that we have space for our teens and again I apologize if I'm missing something that I should be aware of already but I am personally not aware of any other options would love to learn more

Yeah, through the chair. We've been investigating a number of other potential locations for a number different things in terms of the city's existing building portfolio of unoccupied buildings And pretty much every one of them have similar issues in terms of gaining occupancy that require substantial... either structural or building code or life safety upgrades and So nothing is clearly rising to the top as an easy win for a teen center or anyplace else, but we are tracking down all the other inventory.

Rep. Pitone, go ahead.

Thank you through you chair to Director Raish. I just quickly sounds like teen centers are we looking into and Teen Center is on this agenda item? Is there Any general consideration for a broader community center that has a teen center component? Or is it just the teen center or are we limiting our conversation because that's what's...

I think we're limiting our conversation tonight to teen center because that's what is on this agenda item. Aboff, From an occupancy, building occupancy standpoint, they all require the same or similar equipment. Upgrades that are the costly ones that we're looking at. Electric plumbing, fire safety, ADA so that they're from At least from the costing of at this level, there really isn't much differentiation in use and those spaces could be used for any number of things, teen center included.

All right, seeing no other questions on the school committee side I will turn it back over to you Chair Link.

You're muted chair

Darn it. All right, thank you. Thank you, Chair Pitone. Turning in... Oh my God, I literally just said director twice now. Sight. I was like, oh no one even heard my flub.

I don't have that power. Through you, Chair. Thank you for the memo, Director Rage. It's good to see these numbers. And thank you for... You know, being very transparent about the fact that this would not make it to the capital investment plan. which is expected um you know we have a lot of other priorities it's just unfortunate that we're going you know The next five years there will be no teen center again. This is a community that's been waiting for this forever now. And we've talked about the needs and I know everyone understands the needs. It's not about convincing, it's more convincing people in leadership positions or the mayor.

about finding an actual space for our teens or community center and it would just I know this is not really under capital projects but have we looked at the high school at the activity in the high after school hours as you know community center teen center is this they were um This was on some councillors, even the current mayor said budget priorities for I think that was last year or earlier and myself. My budget priorities are already this year. So I'm just curious, as you're having these conversations with staff, with other departments, are you discussing this option at all? And it has to do with funding because we need staff, we need custodians.

I'm also curious since we have our school committee members here What your position is and if any conversations are happening there regarding this option. I know it's not ideal But it's also not ideal to not have a team center in the next five years.

So through the chair, we have been activating the schools for other uses and it has given rise to a number of additional issues that have unearthed. And I think you're exactly right in order to do this better and well. It's more of a staffing issue. The larger concern is how those other users then leave the space So that when educators come in the next morning, it is as they left it. So this is something that we've been discussing at the cabinet level about how to do a better job of that whilst also acknowledging that hiring additional staff right now to do exactly that might be a difficult budgetary constraint. So it's a learning process

The process, but I do think it at least from a capital expenditure point of view is a lot more viable than some of the others. Now that said, I've got two high schoolers who are teens and probably would not want to spend more time at the high school as much as I love that building and think they should spend more Time at it. You know, there's that.

Thank you, Director. I think it also depends on the activities and what we're doing. But yeah, I would love to hear from the school committee, but I'm glad to hear that. you know, you are considering all options

I'm just going to take, if I may chair Link suggest that we include this as a Agenda topic for a future meeting. I'm not even sure this subcommittee is the right place for that meeting, despite the fact that we're both here given that the focus of this meeting is school buildings facilities and maintenance This is a staffing, more of a staffing issue rather than maintenance issue. I really think it's a question for the mayor. The school committee by and large supports Expansion of the use of the Somerville High School building for purposes outside of school hours. I don't want to speak for the full committee because I don' know whether we support

A teen center per se as that use, but just a suggestion that we and perhaps Councilor Sait you can offer an agenda topic and figure out where that conversation may best be held.

Yeah, thank you, Chair Biton. Yeah, you are correct. This is more of a finance giving us... I think first step is we'll put in order giving us an idea of how much just like we got the memo about the coming school how much it would cost to staff it and what would that look like and making sure Staff are working closely with the district to figure out the needs. Yeah, I'm only mentioning it because we're talking about teen center and that's how conversations start but I will leave it at that. and we go to the right committee. Thank you.

Yeah, I will just note that hiring extra staff has to be cheaper than $28 million. Anyway, all right. So I believe that brings us to a close. Oh, disposition for this one. I kind of get the sense that maybe this doesn't seem like there's a lot left to discuss. Maybe I guess if we hear some sort of revelation when we get the CIP in the future. but I kind of think that maybe this one we can just mark as complete.

I concur with that, Chair.

Sounds good. All right so That being said, I think so. Madam Clerk, do we have anything that we need to besides adjournment that we

We can roll up the approval of the minutes during the roll call.

All right, do I see a motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn. Do we need to approve and also approve the minutes? Yeah.

All right, I'll second that.

Okay, and just to verify we are marking work completed agenda item numbers two four and seven and keeping in committee agenda items three five six. And roll call on approval acceptance of agenda item one and adjournment Scott, Councilor Sait. Yes. Councilor Link.

Yes we are adjourned all right and we're adjourned for the school committee too thanks everyone